Symbols of Racism
by Marcy Newman
Special to The Arbiter
January 13, 2005
Shortly before winter break I went to the Cultural Center in the SUB to grade some final papers. Two men walked in to the Center, neither of whom I had seen before. One of them asked if they would disturb me if they used the television. I looked up and noticed that the other man was wearing a jacket with one or two confederate flags on it. I found myself shocked and disturbed that someone wearing emblems of racial and religious terrorism could make himself comfortable in the one place at Boise State that is marked as an explicitly safe place for students of color.
The Cultural Center, which used to be known as the Multiethnic Cultural Center, is not only a place for students of color to feel safe and to form community, but it is also a place where dialogue about issues of racism and oppression ideally should occur. Thus, I attempted to see whether or not the young man with a confederate flag on his jacket understood the implication of those emblems on his person. His oft-repeated reply was that he maintained pride in his home state of Georgia and that is why he donned those flags. The tone and tenor of his response made it clear that he was defensive likely because this was not the first time he had been questioned about it. Given that this exchange was not about to yield a discussion about what the confederate flag really means, I told him that he would disturb me if he stayed in the Center with his jacket on.
Of course, the Cultural Center is open to the entire Boise State community. The dominant culture is always welcome there, but it is a space that was created for ethnic and minority students, thus those entering this space should be prepared to have their views challenged—especially if one chooses to wear a provocative and threatening emblem. White students who want to spend time in the Cultural Center will undoubtedly find their perspectives challenged just as ethnic students do every day in many classes and with many people they encounter outside of the Cultural Center.
But this episode is about belonging and not belonging on a much deeper level than that of who may comfortably enter the Cultural Center. Flags have always been used to both signal and symbolize—to insiders and outsiders alike—who is welcome and who is not. The particular confederate, or rebel flag, that this young man wore was initially a battle flag used by the South during the Civil War. Of course, there was an historical reason to carry flags on the battlefield; flags helped the opposing side to known who was an ally and who was an enemy. But once the Civil War concluded in 1865, Georgia, chose to abandon the confederate flag. It was not until 1956 that the Georgia state Senate signed a confederate flag back into law as the state flag.
To be sure, it probably was not a coincidence that the Civil Rights Movement’s then-recent strides in desegregating schools with Brown v. the Board of Education (1954) and desegregating public spaces with the Montgomery Improvement Association’s successful bus boycott (1955-1956) occurred at the same time Georgia legislators pushed to reinstate the rebel flag. With signs that the challenge to the long-standing social and psychological segregation of African Americans was succeeding, this flag was a means of intimidating Black men and women in Georgia. Indeed, when the Georgia state legislature finally accepted that this flag was a symbol of oppression for its African American citizens, it replaced the expressly discriminatory and oppressive confederate flag with one that would include and welcome all Georgians.
In 2001 when the Georgia state legislature adopted a new flag, its members spoke specifically about the oppression and racism that the confederate flag represents. The ideology of white, Christian supremacy woven into these flags has been used historically by groups such as the Ku Klux Klan, Aryan Nation, and Neo Nazi organizations. It is flown when African Americans are lynched and it is waved when white supremacist Christian groups march in predominantly Jewish communities such as Skokie, Ill.
For many Americans of color, the confederate flag represents this history as well as its present status. When someone wears such emblems it suggests that people of color are not welcome; moreover, depending upon where someone comes from and how well versed one is in history, that flag suggests that its bearer may be someone who participates in violence and intimidation. When someone wears such flags on their person which the state no longer recognizes it raises suspicions even more so. I do not think that the Cultural Center should be an exclusive place where only students of color are allowed. However, it should be a space in which people are respectful of these communities and their histories and as such do not bring in such emblems that would prove threatening to anyone in the Center.
Marcy Newman is a Boise State Assistant Professor of English






46 Comments:
Here is one of many emails I've received in response to my Arbiter article. I'll just keep posting the here for prosperity. But with this one, I want to clarify one point that seems to be misread in my article. I never claimed, nor would I claim, that the Civil War was fought over slavery. Indeed, the North and South alike profited and benefited from the institution of slavery. But, if you read my article, you will note that I wrote about postbellum representations of the confederate flag not antebellum representations.
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Ms. Newman,
I would like to comment on your article, "Symbols of
Racism," which appeared in the Arbiteronline.com
(http://www.arbiteronline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/01/13/41e633e63e110).
I think it's wrong and unfair to assume that anyone
who displays a Confederate flag is a racist or is
someone who doesn't want to associate with people of
color.
No flag can help how it's misused by certain people or
groups. It so happens that the flag of choice of many
KKK and right-wing militia groups is the U.S. flag.
As a patriotic American, I am repulsed that such hate
groups would claim the Stars and Stripes as one of
their symbols, but I don't demonize the flag because
of how it's misused by certain people and groups.
Nor can a flag help it when evil things are done under
its banner. For example, do we demonize the U.S. flag
as a symbol of genocide, falsehood, and overt racism
because of the disgraceful, brutal way that the U.S.
government dealt with the American Indians from
1865-1890, under the banner of the Stars and Stripes?
It makes me sick to see old news clips of white mobs
in the '60s waving the Confederate flag and cheering
while police brutalized African Americans whose only
"crime" was protesting for basic human rights. The
leaders of the Confederacy would have never condoned
the display of the Confederate flag in such hateful,
evil instances. Indeed, Confederate leaders like
Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, Judah Benjamin, Joseph
Johnston, and Stonewall Jackson would have been
utterly disgusted to see the Confederate flag waved by
people engaged in such inhumane conduct.
As an American who's proud of my Confederate-American
heritage, I ask you to remember that many of us who
honor Southern heritage are not racists, and that we
view the Confederate flag as a symbol of honor,
courage, the rule of law, liberty, and faith in God.
When viewed in its original, intended context, the
Confederate flag is not a symbol of hate in any way,
shape, or form.
If you'd like to read more about the Southern side of
the Civil War, I respectfully invite you to read my
article "The Southern Side of the Civil War: Facts
Your History Teacher May Not Have Mentioned About the
War Between the States," which you can find at:
http://ourworld.cs.com/mikegriffith1/southernside.htm
I thank you for your time.
Respectfully,
Mike Griffith
Civil War website
http://ourworld.cs.com/mikegriffith1/id163.htm
Dear Mr. Newman,
I read with great interest your article on "Symbols of Racism". It sparked my interest that you well know what the Battle Flag is, a flag carried by Southern soldiers during the War For Southern Independence which was never the official flag of the C.S.A. It's true meaning therefore - as a flag carried by Confederate soldiers - is what those soldiers fought for, namely states' rights over big centralised government.
Indeed the War was not fought over slavery. Slavery was only made a scapegoat in 1863 when the Emancipation Proclamation was issued by Lincoln freeing those slaves only he could NOT free, namely those in the Confederate controlled areas of the Southern States. He didn't even touch the status of a single slave in Kentucky, parts of Lousiana, Maryland, etc. Lincoln also was a proponent of a Thirdteenth Amendment to the US Constitution that would guarantee slavery indefinitely in the US and forbid Congress to interfere with the institution. If the Southern Confederacy was really interested in slavery, it would have rushed at once back into the Union in order to preserve slavery.
But it didn't. It's also noteworthy that men such as Robert E. Lee didn't own slaves during the War while U.S. Grant (Union general) owned slaves until the passage of the current Thirdteenth Amendment outlawing slavery in the USA
Your retoric is without doubt intended to demonstrate that the Battle Flag represents racism. I regret - even more than you do - that hate groups such as the K.K.K. or the Aryan Nations have misused the Battle Flag for their own racial agenda. I belong to a Confederate Heritage group that took a resolute stand against the KKK a while ago (cfr. http://www.37thtexas.org/html/restore.html) You will notice that one of my compatriots is a black man. It is even more noteworthy that the Klan during that march did not bring any Confederate Battle Flags but carried only a US Flag. The official flag of the KKK, Aryan Nations and other hate groups is the US Flag. It too is being misused daily by hate groups.
Does the US Flag then too represents racism? After all it is historical FACT that every single American slaveships sailed under a US Flag, it is a historical FACT that US soldiers committed genocide on the entire Indian race, it is historical FACT that the ten most segregated towns in the US are all located in the North, it is FACT that the HQ of the KKK are in Indiana and most of its membership is from up North, I could go on for a long while.
I assume you wouldn't show someone the door who displayed a US Flag on his jacket. I bet you there are even black persons in that Cultural center displaying a US Flag. Horrible in light of these facts, isn't it?
As to the State of Georgia no longer recognising that Flag you are correct. The STATE of Georgia, meaning the Legislature, doesn't. The people of Georgia DO! A bill has been introduced in the Georgia House of Representatives to finally give Georgians a choice between the '56 Flag and the current rag forced upond Georgia by its scallawag legislature. Until that day the people of Georgia have had no chance to vote for or against the '56 Flag because it was never a choice on the referendum.
I assume you are aware that the people of Mississippi voted two thirds in FAVOR of keeping the Mississippi State Flag (which also displays a Battle Flag) in 2002. The Legislature there too tried to change the flag, the people of Mississippi spoke clear enough and when the people of Georgia will have a chance to speak you may look forward to seeing the '56 Flag restored to its rightful place over Georgia. As you are aware it is doubtless that in Mississippi black persons voted in favor of the current Mississippi State Flag demonstrating your remarks on racism to be untrue.
On a last note I advise you to read the First Amendment to the US Constitution that still includes white Southerners, at least last time I looked. To spare you the trouble I'll give it to you.
First Amendment to the US Constitution: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
I invite your questions.
Your Obedient Servant,
Reinout Temmerman
37th TX Cavalry
Oudenaarde, Belgium
"The sole object of this war is to restore the Union. Should I become convinced it has any other object, or that the Government designs using its soldiers to execute the wishes of the abolitionists, I pledge you my honor as a man and a soldier I would resign my commission and carry my sword to the other side." --- U.S Grant
As to Secession being Rebellion, it is distinctly possible by state papers that Washington considered it no such thing that Massachusetts, now loudest against it, has itself asserted its right to secede, again and again." --- Charles Dickens
I am in favor of the race to which I belong, having the superior position." --- Abraham Lincoln's white supremacist reply to Stephen A. Douglas, 21 Aug 1858
Many of the mistaken ideas about eh South and the Confederacy are evidence of the lack of knowledge of history which is prevalent throughout the country as a result of the rewriting of factual history to accommodate "politically correct" views. The words of Irish-born Confederate Major General Patrick Cleburne from his January, 1864, letter which proposed the mass emancipation and enlistment of Black Southerners into the Confederate Army possess great irony:
"Every man should endeavor to understand the meaning of subjugation before it is too late...It means the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our youth will be trained by Northern schoolteachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of the war; will be impressed by the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors, and our maimed veterans as fit objects for derision...The conqueror's policy is to divide the conquered into factions and stir up animosity among them...
....It is said slavery is all we are fighting for, and if we give it up we give up all. Even if this were true, which we deny, slavery is not all our enemies are fighting for. It is merely the pretense to establish sectional superiority and a more centralized form of government, and to deprive us of our rights and liberties."
We suggest for your enlightenment a new book written by Lerone Bennette, Jr., the Executive Editor of EBONY magazine and published by the Johnson Publishing Company titled "Forced Into Glory: Abraham Lincoln's White Dream." The book deals with the facts of Lincoln's words and deeds not fantasies assigned to him. You can find it at http://www.ebony.com/glory.html.
In 2000 the movie "Ride With the Devil" was suppressed in distribution despite the fact that it was directed by Oscar-winning director Ang Lee and had received many excellent reviews. It was suppressed by its distributor, USA Films, because it factually and truthfully portrayed a Black Confederate guerrilla fighting with Confederate Bushwhackers in the Kansas-Missouri operations. The video release of the movie was delayed for two months to allow removal of the image of the Black Confederate from the cover art. The character was based faithfully on Free Black John Noland who rode with Quantrill as a scout and spy.
The United States flag flew over a slave nation from 1776 until December, 1865, some eight months _after_ the Confederacy and slavery in the South had ceased to exist. During the four years of the War and afterwards the states of Kentucky, Missouri, Kansas, Maryland, West Virginia, and Delaware were Union slaveholding states and slavery was legal under Federal law. In 1863, after the "Emancipation Proclamation," Free Men of Color were arrested, fined, and sold into slavery in Illinois for the "high misdemeanor" of staying in the state longer than ten days. Union General U.S. Grant expelled all Jews from his Army in December, 1862, and expelled Jewish citizens "as a class" from their homes "within 24 hours" - he freed his slaves only when compelled to do so by the 13th Amendment.
Black Southerners fought alongside white, Hispanic, Native American, Jewish, and thousands of foreign-born Southerners. They fought as documented by _Union_ sources:
Frederick Douglass, Douglass' Monthly, IV (Sept. 1861), pp 516 - "&there are at the present moment many colored men in the Confederate Army&as real soldiers, having muskets on their shoulders, and bullets in their pockets, ready to shoot down loyal troops, and do all that soldiers may do to destroy the Federal government...There were such soldiers at Manassas and they are probably there still."
"Negroes in the Confederate Army," Journal of Negro History, Charles Wesle, Vol. 4, #3, (1919), 244-245 - "Seventy free blacks enlisted in the Confederate Army in Lynchburg, Virginia. Sixteen companies of free men of color marched through Augusta, Georgia on their way to fight in Virginia."
"The part of Adams' Brigade that the 42nd Indiana was facing were the 'Louisiana Tigers.' This name was given to Colonel Gibson's 13th Louisiana Infantry, which included five companies of 'Avegno Zouaves' who still were wearing their once dashing traditional blue jackets, red caps and red baggy trousers. These five Zouaves companies were made up of Irish, Dutch, Negroes, Spaniards, Mexicans, and Italians." - Noe, Kenneth W., Perryville: This Grand Havoc of Battle. The University of Kentucky Press, Lexington, KY, 2001. (page 270)
From James G. Bates' letter to his father reprinted in the 1 May 1863 "Winchester [Indiana] Journal" (the 13th IVI ["Hoosier Regiment"] was involved in operations around the Suffolk, Virginia area in April-May 1863 ) - "I can assure you [Father], of a certainty, that the rebels have negro soldiers in their army. One of their best sharp shooters, and the boldest of them all here is a negro. He dug himself a rifle pit last night [16 April 1863] just across the river and has been annoying our pickets opposite him very much to-day. You can see him plain enough with the naked eye, occasionally, to make sure that he is a "wooly-head," and with a spy-glass there is no mistaking him."
The 85th Indiana Volunteer Infantry reported to the Indianapolis Daily Evening Gazette that on 5 March 1863: "During the fight the [artillery] battery in charge of the 85th Indiana [Volunteer Infantry] was attacked by [*in italics*] two rebel negro regiments. [*end italics*]."
After the action at Missionary Ridge, Commissary Sergeant William F. Ruby forwarded a casualty list written in camp at Ringgold, Georgia about 29 November 1863, to William S. Lingle for publication. Ruby's letter was partially reprinted in the Lafayette Daily Courier for 8 December 1863: "Ruby says among the rebel dead on the [Missionary] Ridge he saw a number of negroes in the Confederate uniform. "
Federal Official Records, Series I, Vol XVI Part I, pg. 805: "There were also quite a number of negroes attached to the Texas and Georgia troops, who were armed and equipped, and took part in the several engagements with my forces during the day."
Federal Official Records Series 1, Volume 15, Part 1, Pages 137-138: "Pickets were thrown out that night, and Captain Hennessy, Company E, of the Ninth Connecticut, having been sent out with his company, captured a colored rebel scout, well mounted, who had been sent out to watch our movements."
Federal Official Records, Series I, Vol. XLIX, Part II, pg. 253 - April 6, 1865: "The rebels [Forrest] are recruiting negro troops at Enterprise, Miss., and the negroes are all enrolled in the State."
Federal Official Records, Series I, Vol. XIV, pg. 24, second paragraph - "It is also difficult to state the force of the enemy, but it could not have been less than from 600 to 800. There were six companies of mounted riflemen, besides infantry, among which were a considerable number of colored men." -- referring to Confederate forces opposing him at Pocotaligo, SC., Colonel B. C. Christ, 50th Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry, official report of May 30, 1862
"Sargt said war is close to being over. saw several negros fighting for those rebels." - From the diary of James Miles, 185th N.Y.V.I., entry dated January 8, 1865
Union soldiers robbed, raped and murdered Free Black and slave Southerners they had come to "emancipate." Union "recruiters" hunted, kidnapped and tortured Black Southerners to compel them to serve in the Union Army. At the Battle of the Crater white Union soldiers bayoneted retreating Black Union soldiers and the 54th Massachusetts was intentionally fired upon by Union Maine troops while assaulting Battery Wagner. The Federal Official Records and memoirs of the USCT document all of these war crimes.
Since the Civil War the United States flag has flown over a country that has continued attempted genocide against its Native Peoples with the able help of Black "Buffalo Soldiers," condoned the slavery of Orientals in California well into the 1880s, fought wars to maintain dominance over countries whose people were not white, and imprisoned its own citizens because of the color of their skin as they did with the Japanese-Americans in California from 1941-1945.
During the War for Southern Independence the Confederacy signed formal alliances with the Five Civilized Tribes and more than two dozen other Native American groups which recognized their ethnic and geographic sovereignty and offered them equal pay and treatment while Lincoln was signing orders for the mass hanging of 39 Northeastern tribesmen. The only non-white general officer of the War was Confederate Brigadier General Stand Watie, a Cherokee Chief who received a Congressional Commendation for his leadership and accomplishment while leading a mixed force of white, Hispanic, and Native American Confederates.
We recognize that there are people who have chosen to usurp the honorable symbols of the Confederacy in an attempt to lend honor and credibility to their perverted concepts. We reject them as all True Southerners should and we have stood against them to clearly demonstrate our opposition:
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"We are a band of brothers!"
"I came here as a friend...let us stand together. Although we differ in color, we should not differ in sentiment." - LT Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, CSA, Memphis, Tennessee - July, 1875
"There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race." - Col. Robert E. Lee, USA - December 27, 1856
As you no doubt know by now your name and email address have shown up on one of the more disreputable Southern Heritage websites concerning your discomfort over Confederate Battle Flag jacked patches and the general use of the display of the Confederate Battle Flag.
I've noticed that over the past fifteen years, and over the past seven or eight years in particular, there has been a coordinated effort to remove the Confederate Battle Flag from general public sight.
This much resembles the attack on cigarette smoking and although it will have some success in the short run in the long run I fear it will only draw a line in the sand that we do not want. Although we may want to protect public health I don't think we want to be a nation that want to protect peoples' feelings from being hurt because someone may or may not like them based on some symbol. Whether or not the Confederate Battle Flag is one of those symbols is open to some interpretation.
Though I am white and have lived all my life in the South, most of it in North Carolina, I never saw the Battle Flag as especially racist. I know many of my friends from the North do but I tend to associate it with motorcycle gangs but that is me.
Oddly enough I tend to associate Idaho and Montana with racist white people and Mormon racists, mostly I suppose because of television that, I know, is not the best way to form impressions but it has kept me out of Idaho.
At any rate I think we would all be better served if we worried more about the slave trade in the Sudan today, right this very minute, instead of what the Confederate Battle Flag might or might not have stood for in 1861, 1881, 1921, 1961, or last week.
I also think it would do us well to remember that when John and Bob get in a fight though John and Bob might think they are fighting about the same thing when we get them in different rooms and ask them what they are fighting about we might get completely different answers.
Now go tell them what a liberated woman the Wife of Bath really was! They might be persuaded to learn Middle English.
Jim Jordan
Laurinburg, NC
Your opinion about the Confederate flag is so filled with
imprtatives,that I hesitate to tell you that you have tunnel
vision.
I remind you that this cloth is an inanimate object.
it has no will or power to make intellectual analytical
and reasoned choices. It cannot do as you do,(sotto voce),"do not confuse me with any facts. My closed mind is already made up."
At your service
Gene Henley
NY Constitution Party
Ms. Newman,
I understand you position, but I know that you're simply mis-informed.
Less than 5% of the soldiers (Black, White, Hispanic, or Jewish) of the Confederacy were slave owners.
Please click the following link to information concerning Black Confederates.
http://www.thesouthernamerican.org/colour~ns4.html
To me, the various flags of the Confederacy represent bravery in the face of insurmountable odds....
Respectfully,
Gary Patrick
"two men walked in to the Center, neither of whom I had seen before. One of them asked if they would disturb me if they used the television."
Two men politely ask if they'd disturb you. They sound really dangerous.
"I looked up and noticed that the other man was wearing a jacket with one or two confederate flags on it. I found myself shocked and disturbed"
In other words, you judged them not by the content of their character but something more benign? Hmmm, who said we should judge by the content of character...
"wearing emblems of racial and religious terrorism"
Much like the US flag, the Christian Cross, the Star of David, the Cresent?
"is not only a place for students of color to feel safe and to form community"
So this place is an exclusion zone. Stands in stark contrast to the 16th Amendment.
"but it is also a place where dialogue about issues of racism and oppression ideally should occur."
Near as I can tell, you did all the talking and none of the listening. Open your mind & close your mind for just a moment...
"His oft-repeated reply was that he maintained pride in his home state of Georgia and that is why he donned those flags."
And yet you refuse his answer? What happened to tolerance and inclusiveness?
"The tone and tenor of his response made it clear that he was defensive likely because this was not the first time he had been questioned about it"
You're damn right. We've had 140 years of misinformation about the war and 40 years of misinformation about our symbols from idiots like you.
"I told him that he would disturb me if he stayed in the Center with his jacket on"
Where in the Constitution does it say you have the right not to be offended? If you don't like it don't look at it? If I'm disturbed by the GALA symbology, you'd paint me as a bigot. Yet you seem oblivious to your own hypocrisy. How typical.
"Cultural Center should be an exclusive place where only students of color are allowed. However, it should be a space in which people are respectful of these communities and their histories"
You've completely contradicted yourself. Bigotry is denying rights you allow yourself. By denying this young man his rights, you, ma'am are a bigot.
"Marcy Newman is a Boise State Assistant Professor of English"
Do professors at Boise know how to capitalize? Or is your lower case "c" in Confederate further evidence of soft bigotry...
Please explain what is racist about the confederate flag. Or was it the jacket you objected to? If it was the flag, I invite you to study the history of the Confederacy and learn the truth.
Buddy Beale,
Tom Smith Camp 1702, SCV
Virginia Beach, VA
Ms. Newman
I pray that you educate yourself on the true meaning of the battle flags we proudly wave. It's only fair that you approach it with an open mind and ask lots of questions from a person that does know Southern history. I have studied black history and have learned things I did not know. I have studied black history you are probably not even aware of. Black Confederate history! Yes, you heard right! Maybe you should study this too ... teacher. IM proud of this fact, and no matter what the historical revisionist write ... this will be the truth.
Here is a small list of books about the subject. You will not find these in the PC book stores, but on the web they are available History: Apologia book store is a good source.
Black Confederates by Barrow, Segars, and Rosenburg
Black Southerners in gray by Andrew Chandler Battaile, Arthur W. Bergron, jr, Thomas Y Cartwright...et
Black slave owners By Larry Koger
We lived in a little cabin in the yard [Slave narratives 1930 Federal writers project]
Before freedom when I just can remember [Slave narratives 1930 Federal writers project]
I pray... I have not offended you in any shape, or form.
God Bless:
Robert Parrish
A proud Southerner
Dear Ms. Newman:
Confderate flags symbols of racial and religious terrorism? Oh dear me... no. I'm assuming you were too involved in your high school calculus class to really absorb your history lessons?
See Chapter 8 of Ann Coulter's latest book _How to Talk to a Liberal..._ for an explanation of the Confederate Battle flag in particular and the CSA flags in general. Then read James Webb's excellent _Born Fighting_. When you have finished those novels, please read James E. Kibler's _Our Fathers' Fields_. When you have completed this assignment, please read the primary source documents concerning the War Between the States, including editorials from Chicago, Washington and NY papers. See also comments by Charles Dickens (yes, Scrooge's creator). Note the input of Karl Marx, and Carl Schurz to US President Lincoln and revisit the actual attitudes of the British working class re: the war. Other reading material to be included on your list should be the Federalist Papers. I also suggest finding a copy of _Free Government in the Making_ 3rd edition by A.T Mason (Oxford Univ. Press, 1965) and pay close attention to sections III (Revolutionary Ideas in Ferment) and IV (The Unfinished Revolution).
Please take notes - there will be a quiz over the material. Should your brain threaten to explode, I suggest purple duct tape, a glass of good Southern whisky and Etude Op. 10 & 25 by Frederick Chopin, performed by Vladimir Ashkenazy on piano and klavier, London Records 414 127-2.
You will receive other, far more eloquent missives than mine on this topic. The information in them will also be on your quiz.
You are welcome in advance.
Best
('Miss') Dusty Freeman
BA 1975 University of Texas Austin
39 Graduate Hours Comparative and Medieval Literature (3.76 GPA - didn't get the MA because I had to undergo cancer surgery at age 26, so quit sneering)
Midwestern State University and University of Texas at San Antonio
San Antonio Texas
The confederate battle flag has no more to do with the Ku Klux Klan than the Christian cross which the Klan carries and burns or the flag of the United States that the Klan says the Pledge of Allegiance to, yet the news media and Hollywood constantly tries to connect our Confederate flag to the Ku Klux Klan and their propaganda. However, the news media never asks preachers if they are Klan members because they wear a cross around their neck or link the American Legion to the Klan because they carry the U.S. Flag. It is time to put an end to this anti-confederate bigotry. It is past time that the truth was told. Hitler's tactic of tell a big enough lie often enough and people will believe it has been utilized to the fullest extent, and to smear the Confederate States of America and her symbols such as the battle flag.
Fortunately, most people have not been deceived such hate mongering tactics as is evidenced in a recent Lewis Harris Poll which shows that 92% of the Southern people, of all races are not offended by our Confederate battle flag and that national wise 68% of blacks are not offended. Unfortunately, a few too many have believed the lies about our Confederate battle flag, which has resulted in unjustified and horrible intolerance, bigotry, hatred, violence and even murder.
First off, all 13 original states that seceded from England in 1776 and formed the United States, from Maine (a part of Massachusetts at the time) to Georgia, owned slaves. Was the first American Revolution fought over slavery? No, then neither was the second American Revolution fought over slavery, when the southern states withdrew from the United States and formed the Confederate States of America. Is the 4th of July a racist holiday because all 13 original colonies had slaves? No, then neither are our Confederate holidays. Is the United States flag a racist flag because all 13 original states had slaves? No, then neither is the Confederate Battle Flag, or do these intolerant individuals and the news media ever advocate taking down the U.S. flag? If yes, they will need to take down almost all the national flags in the world starting with the flag of Nigeria in Africa who were more involved in selling slaves than any other nation. What blatant bigotry to call the Confederate flag racist!
During the war for Southern Independence (1861-1865), the south also had slaves, but refused to sell their slaves until after the war. Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, Missouri and West Virginia all owned slaves. Never seceded, and were under the control of the United States the entire war, however, they were not required to free their slaves by the United States Government, as proved by the fact that the U.S. Congress, from 1861 to 1864 refused to pass a constitutional amendment abolishing slavery, when the only senators and representatives in Congress were from the north. Remember, all southerners had left congress to form their own nation. How could the north be fighting the war to free southern slaves when they would not free their own, like U. S. Grant's personal slaves or Abraham Lincoln's father-in-law's slaves? What hypocrisy!
To most these days, that flag represents nothing more than southern pride, why would you deny someone their right to feel pride and the right to practice ones culture.
You Ma'am, are more of a bigot than those who have misrepresented southern symbols.
Madam,
The only thing in your article that was racist was your own attitude. The flag of the United States of America flag over every slave ship that entered this country. The United States goverment put a tax ob each slave as property--we can go on and on. There are no slaves anymore and you need to get over it and get on with a better attitude. The very fact that you even ask this man to remove his symbol shows me that you have an "attitude" and that attitude was asking for an argument. Anyone wishing to wear the Confederate symbol has a right to, it does not mean they are hateful or destructive, it simply means it was their ancestors flag who also suffered many years of war, death and devastion. They were denied the very thing the American revolution was fought for, Independence.They were no more traitors then those in this America who fought the British for the same reasons,less goverment. Less taxes.
Peggy Aldhizer
Ms Newman:
It is my fervent desire that you are also "shocked and disturbed" by this response to your shocking and disturbing article, "Symbols of Racism", a piece of trash that reveals a tad of your paranoia that should be treated, not pampered. The woodshed would be a perfect place to begin your treatments.
Actually, your article should be totally ignored if not for its extreme level of flagrant ignorance and hate inspired stupidity.
Further, your biased views are completely off the chart of discriminatory intolerance. Your views are also in direct conflict with a recent decision of the United States Supreme Court.
Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, in her majority opinion of the court in the Michigan affirmative action case, explicitly states ..."the state has a 'compelling interest' in diversity on the American campus", exemplified by the man with a Confederate Flag on his clothing.
It is obvious that you consider the Confederate Flag to be an example of "diversity", therefore, I would suggest that you welcome this symbol of courage and honor and emblem of my native land into your erroneously named Discrimination Center.
As for "... the one place at Boise State that is 'marked' as an explicitly safe place for students of color", could you please explain how you manage to provide such a discriminatorily designated place for students of color? What could possibly be your justification for having such a place of un-Constitutionally designated, "Jim Crow" in reverse, area for students of color?
Also, please explain to me what you consider a "Multiethnic Cultural Center" if not an explicitly safe place for ALL individuals of ANY ethnic background, as that qualified person with a Confederate Flag. It seems that a "Multiethnic Cultural Center" is a perfectly appropriate place to display a Confederate Flag that signifies culture and ethnicity of the South.
Or is Southern "diverse ethnicity" not to be respected in your institution of higher learning? It certainly appears that you are stooping to a new low in intolerance of those who appear to be of an ethnicity different from the one you favor in your outrageously stupid article,"Symbols of Racism."
May one spark of decency and intelligence be sufficient for an adjustment in your yankee educated attitude,
Joe Miller
mavrik@ClickSouth.net
Dear Miss Newman,
One would believe that as an educator from Boise State you might actually have studied American history by researching historical documents. However, your comments about the Confederate Flag (above) make it crystal clear that your historical study documents were provided by the NAACP and their PC "re-write" of American history to their extremely bigotted stance.
Perhaps a short true history lesson will help:
1) It was the US stars and stripes that flew over slave ships and slavery. Not a single slave ship in history EVER flew a Confederate Flag.
2) Slaves were owned in the North as well as the South. The Confederate Constitution called for the dissolution of slavery. Slavery was NOT the central issue of the War of Northern Agression. Lincoln even agreed to allow slavery to end the war as he was a racist whose comments can be found at the Library of Congress as to just what he thought of blacks.
3) The "Emmancipation Proc" was forced upon Lincoln to avoid England and France from joining on the Confederate side. Most importantly the proclomation ALLOWED SLAVERY TO CONTINUE IN THE NORTH until almost a year after the conflict. Grant (US Flag) owned slaves for a year after the war.
4) The flag most associated with "emblems of racial and religious terrorism" (as used by the skinheads and the KKK) is the US stars and stripes. Perhaps also, many an American Indian would agree that the US flag also was a flag of racial terrorism as US troops under orders from Washinton slaughtered their families.
5) The Confererate Flag is, and always has been, a symbol of the Christian South seeking only the rights guaranteed under the Constitution to secede from the servile existence and debauchery of the US government and its greatest tyrant Abe Lincoln. This same Lincoln had a master plan in line to round up all the blacks and send them back to Africa. Only his death prevented this action.
My ancestors led by the greatest, most moral, Christian, gentleman this country has ever seen: Robert E. Lee, fought against the destruction of our Southern principals, our Southern values, our Southern morals, and our Southern way of life. We wanted nothing more than to be left alone. I love and honour the Confederate Flag as a symbol of what our South could have remained and a reminder of my family and all those who fought to protect us from the yankee invaders.
You are sadly mistaken and misinformed about the Confederate Flag. I urge you to seriously research all of the above and you will be alarmed at the PC yankee view of the South, Lincoln, slavery, etc.
May Almighty God save the South!
Marc Reed
Douglas, South Georgia
Ms Newman,
First allow me to quote from your article concerning the Gentleman with the Confederate Flag on his jacket: "I found myself shocked and disturbed that someone wearing emblems of racial and religious terrorism could make himself comfortable in the one place at Boise State that is marked as an explicitly safe place for students of color."
Ms Newman the Confederate Battle flag is not a emblem of "racial an religious terrorism", and to make such a asinine statement only shows your own true bigotry and intolerance.
The Confederate Battle Flag was borne on the battlefields of the East during the War for Southern Independence and was by design used to mark the field positions of the Southern troops.
Today of me and many more individuals it has become of emblem of who we are.....a pride of being a Southern man, woman or child. More so it is an emblem of from where we have came to be where we are today. Our Southern ancestors of old sacrificed home and and their life's in order that the succeeding generations might have a better way of life. I should know, my own family had 7 male members who served in he Confederate Armed forces and only 2 returned from the war.
Ms Newman, if Boise State is "marked as an explicitly safe place for students of color" then being alarmed at the sight of a Confederate Battle flag makes that statement null and void.
I have never been to Idaho or Boise State, now I know a good reason why not to come.
Randolph D. Wilson
Myrtle Beach, SC
Life Member - Sons of Confederate Veterans
Life Member - SC Division Sons of Confederate Veterans
Member- League of the South
Miss Newman,
You have been getting a lot of flack for your rather ignorant view of our beloved Confederate Battle Flag. You practically asked him to leave? Is that discrimination based on the young man's 'colour'? Not of his skin, but of his clothes.
If you do not reply to those contending with you, then you are a coward, hiding behind the 'pen'. With the power of the 'pen' comes the responsibility to respond to your critics.
You said Given that this exchange was not about to yield a discussion about what the confederate flag really means. Would you really be willing to engage in a dialogue with us to hash out what you think the CBF means and what we know it means? Or, was that just rhetoric?
I will not give you facts and figures about the USA ver. the CSA. Others are already doing that. But I challenge you to intellectual integrity and honesty. You spoke. Now we have spoken. Your turn. Are you strong? Or, no.
At Your Service,
I Remain Respectfully,
Jimmy L. Shirley Jr.
Palm Springs, Fla.
I believe the below will fill you in as to my opinion regarding your articl:
http://www.georgiaheritagecoalition.org/site2/news/childress-letter-KY113004.phtml
It's time to draw the line against further Revisionist Attacks on American Heritage!
From: bazzchildress@qx.net
Attn: Chief of Staff (to Governor Ernie Fletcher), Stan Cave
Commonwealth of Kentucky
700 Capitol Ave.
Frankfort, KY 40601
I am writing to urge Governor Fletcher to encourage the Kentucky Military Heritage Commission (KMHC) to vote protection for the Jefferson Davis and Abraham Lincoln statues in the Kentucky Capitol Rotunda. I am informed there may be some reluctance to do so at least insofar as the Davis statue is concerned. Such reluctance is no doubt based on the campaign put forward over at least the past decade or so to strike from our memory and memorialization anything "Southern".
That position is very troubling for many reasons. One of them is that the premise for such is founded on un-American ideals. I refer to and would encourage the Governor to familiarize himself with something called The Frankfurt School, founded by Italian communists who held that America could only be made amenable to their cause by depriving America of (by recasting its history) its past. As an example of the success of that effort, in California just last week it came to light that because of certain politically incorrect ideas therein, the Declaration of Independence itself could not be studied in class.
Likewise, if the logic flowing from "The Frankfurt School" is followed, then the whole of American history (not just its Southern component) will eventually meet its demise. As George Orwell said, "He who controls the past, controls the present. Who controls the present, controls the future". In light of the success of the effort founded on this premise in renaming schools named after George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, who can doubt that eventual result. Need I remind, that shortly after Georgia removed the Confederate Battle Flag from its State flag, the display of the US flag itself was called into question in some "blue state", leftist locales. Indeed, certain members of the KMHC, in arguing such logic could not bring themselves to vote protection for the Lincoln statue either, proving my argument.
Another troubling aspect is that it is simply untrue to hold that the extension of civil rights protections for those whose ancestors were once slaves or for those who once experienced segregation depends on this recasting of our history. Just consider that before 1865, some of the largest slave owners in Louisiana and South Carolina were free blacks or that the largest free black population in the country before 1860 resided in Virginia. If such is true, then we will eventually be forced into a radical French/Jacobin/Socialist based political entity from this reinterpretation of our past. (France being where within just the last few months, the maintenance of a "secular" over a "religious" society could soon carry the force of law through recently introduced legislation). And isn't it amazing that those in this country who demand that "secular" society are now threatening secession! (Funny how the principle of secession that founded this country, wasn't appropriate when 140 plus years ago, the South opposed getting to where we now find ourselves!).
The counter to this falsity is to tell the truth about our history, however such may be uncomfortable for some, because the alternative (surrender to folks who make these arguments) will in fact render the ironic result of ending what Lincoln called, "the last best hope of man on earth", through the destruction of the foundation for an American Culture. There is no more important task than addressing these cultural issues. The question is: Is the Governor up to it? (One wonders given not a single Southern governor, Gov Fletcher included, attended the CSS Hunley funeral last April). Rather than the signal that sent, I would encourage the Governor to consider that Kentucky and the rest of the South (the South being an important, if not the most important component of that American Culture) just voted our current President back into office on the strength of these cultural issues. I would also remind Governor Fletcher of what's been going on in Georgia and other sister Southern States over these attacks; governor after governor (ask former Governor Barnes down in Georgia), has been defeated for pandering to this Leftist Logic.
I used to be a strong supporter of the Republican Party, but voted Constitution Party this time in part precisely due to my perception that the Republicans ignored Pat Buchanan's warning of the culture war back in 1992. It is time to stand and deliver in light of this past election. Failure to do so will create many more folks of my thinking who see the Republican Party paying lip service to cultural issues to get its candidates elected only to turn wobbly when the political "bullets" start to fly. After all, there is no act that will satisfy the Leftists and those who vote in massive lockstep with their agenda. Time after time, compromise on these issues has only resulted in a new round of commemorations such folk find "offensive". There is not an historical marker, statue or other celebration of our past that will withstand the onslaught demanded by the Leftists' logic. Gaining their votes is very unlikely if not impossible, without total surrender to this nonsense.
There are very many who share my opinions in these matters. John Kerry just went down to defeat by not understanding that truth. I voted for Gov Fletcher last year and would like to vote for him again, but he will lose my vote and the votes of those who share my views, if he proves inadequate to the task before us of reclaiming our country. Such inadequacy may even well result in the development of "Southern Parties" as in Georgia and South Carolina and be a severe detriment to future Republican administrations, (as Pat Buchanan predicts will happen), if they also prove incapable of drawing a line here and now concerning these matters.
Sincerely,
Bazz Childress
Lexington, Kentucky
PS Also see this site and the visit the embedded links:
http://www.thesouthernamerican.org/SHNVfromourreaders.html
"Our cause was so just, so sacred, that had I known all that has come to pass, had I known all that was to be inflicted upon me, all that my country was to suffer, all that our posterity was to endure, I would do it all over again. Let the rising generation learn what their fathers did, and let them learn the still better lesson to emulate not only the deeds, but the motives which prompted them. May God grant that sons ever greater than their fathers may rise whenever their country needs them to defend her cause. Nothing fills me with deeper sadness than to see a Southern man apologizing for the defence we made of our inheritance & denying the great truths on which all our institutions were founded. To be crushed by superior force, to be robbed & insulted, were great misfortunes, but these could be borne while there still remained manhood to assert the truth, and a proud consciousness in the rectitude of our course. When I find myself reviled by Southern papers as one renewing 'dead issues,' the pain is not caused by the attack upon myself, but by its desecration of the memories of our Fathers & those of their descendants who staked in defence of their rights -- their lives, their property & their sacred honor. To deny the justice of their cause, to apologize for its defence, and denounce it as a dead issue, is to take the last of their stakes, that for which they were willing to surrender the other." Jefferson Davis
I very much was dismayed by your ignorance of historical knowledge about the Confederate flag. I am a disabled US Marine, and a current college student going to school on my GI Bill. Did you know Jews, Blacks, Hispanics, Native Americans fought and died under the Confederate flag? Well believe it or not they did. If you would like proof I will gladly supply it. It is located at the National Archives in Washington D.C. My ancestors fought and died under the Confederate battle flag and none of them owned one slave. So for your assumption that men of the South fought, died, suffered, and saw the men beside them blown apart because they were to lazy to pick there own cotton is absurd. Why don't you contact the local Sons of Confederate Camp in your local area and get a history lesson. You will be very surprised to see people of color there and that the whites are not missing teeth and dating there sisters as Hollywood likes to portray. Just as they portray most blacks as gang bangers, drug users, and sellers. Once you receive a history lesson you should do the right thing and retract your article of ignorance and racist views. As I stated earlier I'm going to college and yes I wear a confederate jacket and Confederate shirts that educate ignorant people white and of color. I would unlike the person you dealt with explained and prove my historical points. Then if you would of asked or forced me to leave I would of sued you and your institute for discrimination with the Southern Legal Resource Center which is in place do to people with ignorant racist attitude of the flags of the South. You should check out there web site and see all the law suits we are winning. Just as the NAACP going after people that are racist to people of color, the law firm of SLRC goes after people that discriminate of the people of the South no matter what color. If I could locate the young man you spoke with, I would have him contact them to see if he has a case.
Michael C McCallister
Michael C McCallister, Color Sergeant
Sons of Confederate Veterans
Capt. James I. Waddell, Camp#1608
Annapolis, Maryland
How can the CBF be so misunderstood? Can you please tell me who Judah Benjamin was? I will give you a hint. He served in the CSA government. Which flag flew over the ships bringing the Africans here to Northern slave auctions.How many Cherokee Indians fought for the CSA? Gee maybe the South is more tolerant than you.Tolerance is something you shold learn. Think I will go and put another Confederate Battle Flag sticker on my truck. Have a Dixie Day. Oh I live in Wisconsin but I honor my ancestors who fought in that war and didnt even own slaves.I also have black friends. They arent offended by my love of my Southern Heritage.I doubt you will be able to respond to all the emails you are about to get! Kevin Barton Wisconsin
Ms. Newman, if you are the type student Boise State is now producing God help all America! While you would claim every right afforded by the laws of the United States for yourself you would in the same sentence deny them to anyone different from your pre-concieved notions about what is or is not correct for a person to wear or believe in a supposed free society. This alone speaks volumes of your lack of education, history, law, citizenship & general common courtesy & decency towards all Americans. Billy E. Price Ashville Alabama
I've had other fish to fry so really haven't gotten into this one before -- except to read a bunch of comments that resulted from some PWT's wrongful presentation of his or her hysterical thoughts. Consequently, I really don't know if that Newman person is a he, she, or an it. Nor do I know whether the "W" is correct in the PWT. However, because a bunch of your readers are responding accordingly, I know that the "P" is correct (not insofar as financial wealth is concerned but insofar as wealth of knowledge is concerned; ie., POOR). As for the "T" -- I imagine we all know that there are many kinds of trash; however, in this particular case -- and I admit my bias -- I feel that anyone as "out of it" as Newman appears to be maybe should have an "I" for ignorant in front of that type of trash.
And now, possibly, you recall my mammy's words of advice to me when I was a young-un: "Never get into a pissing contest with a skunk." That kind of goes along with what's been going on, as I really don't see any need to try and educate that particular type of PWT. Nuff said.
Tom
She was not the only Confederate Battle Flag, but She was the most known and used late in that great war. She is the most, hated, debated, misrepresented and beloved of all Confederate symbols. She has been tarnished by groups as the, naacp "by way of slander", kkk, aryan nation, skinheads, neo nazi, white supremacy clowns...Just to name a few. She was not a national flag, nor was She a politician's flag, and most defiantly not a flag of hate!..."She was a soldier's flag" a banner of courage, honour and a call to duty. She was a rallying point for battling warriors. Many died to keep Her safe and out of enemy hands, this Flag was stained with the blood of our Southron patriots. Last, and most important...SHE WAS AN AMERICAN FLAG!!
As Southron, we owe it to ourselves and noble ancestry to protect Her and hold her in reverence. We must stand up to "Those People" that slander Her, for that slander is slander toward us and our past. We must never let our past be removed from our future.
Shame on you for your lack of tolerance.
God bless,
Tommy Aaron
A proud son of Confederate warriors, none of which owned slaves!
Chattanooga, TN.
Dear Ms Newman, The Confederate flag, featuring St. Andrew's cross, is an honorable symbol, sanctified by the blood of many brave men, both black and white. To deny or try to belittle our Southern heritage is the epitome of bigotry. Shame on you! Sincerely, Alexander Davidson, Elkview, West Virginia CSA
ead your article, but I think that you over reacted to the flag patch being worn! While some small skinhead and racist groups do adhere to the Confederate flag as their symbol, the two largest hate groups in these united States, the KKK and the NAACP choose the stars and stripes as their official symbol of hate! One of these hate groups hates everything that pertains to Negroes, while the other hate group hates everything that pertains to Caucasians! While I personally think that the members of both of these groups of hate should be lined up and shot, this is America and the 1st amendment applies to all. Therefore, unlike yourself I take no communist leanings to ban them or their symbols anywhere within the jurisdictions of these united States of America!
The Confederate Battle flag is a symbol of the first army to fight the terrorist (of which many were non-English speaking foreigners and non-citizens) who helped overthrow the Constitution of the uSA Where it flies appropriately I salute it, as it is the flag of American veterans who fought for the Constitution and rule of law as established by the Founders of this once great Constitutional Republic.
Sadly today, the terrorist who's official policy was making war on unarmed American civilians won that war and the Constitutional Republic established by the Founders no longer exist, as it has been replace by something they, the Founders despised, a socialistic democracy that advocates equality and redistribution of wealth based on tax theft and mob rule (democracy).
David
Occupied Missouri
Hi Ms. Newman,
My name is Robert Stephens, I read your article with great interest. You see, I am a descendant of Confederate soldiers to the flag that your refer to is very near and dear to my heart. I don't judge people by what they were or the color of their skin, I feel that it is morally wrong to do that.
While it is true that recently (since the 1950s) racist groups have misused the Confederate Battle Flag. But, that should not put shame on a flag, that led brave soldiers fighting for their independence. I have 3 pictures of the KKK taken in the 1920s and there are no Battle Flags present, just US flags. I could share these with you if you would like. I am not sure why the US flag does not stand more for racism than the CBF. After all it flew over slavery before and after there was a Confederacy. As an educator, I am sure you know that Lincoln only freed the slaves in the "rebel" areas in his proclamation.
If you care to learn more about the true history of the Confederacy, you could go to a local Sons of Confederate Veteran meeting. You can locate a camp near you at www.scv.org In closing, please don't condem us all for the sins of a few.
Thank you for your time,
Robert Stephens
CSS Ram Neuse Camp #1427
Kinston, NC
I am writing to second the opinions held in the following letter.
"Ms. Newman, if you are the type student Boise State is now producing God help
all America! While you would claim every right afforded by the laws of the
United States for yourself you would in the same sentence deny them to anyone
different from your pre-concieved notions about what is or is not correct for
a person to wear or believe in a supposed free society. This alone speaks
volumes of your lack of education, history, law, citizenship & general common
courtesy & decency towards all Americans."
Sincerely,
Miss Kirin E. Anderson
Hello Ms. Newman. I read your article on the Confederate flag and felt compelled to respond. My name is Mitch Morgan and I am the proud ancestor of a Confederate soldier. My great-grandfather was a Confederate soldier in North Florida. He was a poor man from humble beginnings, but proud of his heritage, as am I.
The Confederate battle flag does not stand for those principles of hatred and racism that you cite in your article. An astute scholar of the Civil War knows that its causes went far beyond "freeing the slaves,".....in fact at the beginning of the war General Lee freed all of his slaves, and General Grant kept his in bondage during the entire war. Slaves were all over the Northern states and were being sold and exchanged in front of the White House during the war. Northern states had quotas on how many blacks were even allowed inside their borders. Pennsylvania was settled by the use of slaves. There are many, many more facts about this that the average person who has been taught "revisionist history" does not know.
Slavery existed many, many years all over the world before the Civil War ever started. The war was primarily about states rights for the South, and the economy. The South attempted to start its own country to stay away from the taxes, tariffs, and control of the Lincoln government. Whether it was right or wrong to secede from the Union, the war had causes that far eclipsed slavery. It could not have been about freeing slaves if the Northern states kept people in bondage. In fact, when Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation, he only freed the Southern slaves and those in the North were kept in bondage for two more years!!! Check the facts!!!
Now about the Confederate flag you find so upsetting....flags are symbols as you said...this flag NEVER flew on a slave ship....do you know which one did? The Stars and Stripes we salute today flew on slave ships!!! Yet no one has a problem with the Stars and Stripes. Slaves were imported through the North and shipped South before the war...Both North and South bought and sold them? Was this wrong? Of course it was, but it was no less wrong in the Northern states than it was in the Southern ones. Brave men fought and died under the Confederate flag and not because they wanted to preserve slavery.....only 6% of Southerners owned slaves....most had not even seen a slave. They fought because their land was invaded and they fought to protect their families and properties, as I am sure you and your loved ones would do.
The unfortunate fact about our flag...the Confederate flag...is that hate groups such as the Ku Klux Klan took our flag and used it for purposes that are wrong...yes WRONG!! But I can assure you that those of us with Confederate heritage are not all like that. Did you know that there were black men who fought for the South also? I have several friends whose great-grandfathers fought to protect the Southland also. They understand what the flag really means and are proud of it.
I know you have been taught to hate the Confederate flag and that it represents slavery...that is the standard line given to those who want to perpetuate this myth and cause divisiveness among us all....please rethink your position on this and at least try to find out the TRUTH. As they say, the truth shall set you free!! Just please know that not all Southerners who love the flag and their heritage are evil racist people...that is so untrue!!!
Thanks for taking the time to read this and allowing me to express my feelings.
Sincerely,
Mitch Morgan
Mr. Newman:
I feel sorry for you that you feel this way. You have been brainwashed. I will pray for you.
Ron Allen
Having a wide range of interests myself, I understand your
rather forward approach to the world's ills. Your idealism, while commendable, is far from reality. You have spent your entire career on the "soft" side of the campus. Some broadening on the scientific and engineering side might
enhance your overall attitude and outlook. Best wishes.
A Military Veteran
Various groups of both the white and black races have abused the Battleflag,
ignored its truthful history and made it what they want it to be, not what
it was nor what it is to those of us who are Southerners and are honored to
have Confederate soldiers' blood flowing in our veins. These were good men
who were defending their homes and families from an invading army. We are a
proud people and know the true history of "The War for Southern
Independence". I suggest you learn the truth for yourself. It is
available, if you care to seek it.
We are expected to respect differences in all other people in the name of
diversity. Do we not deserve the same respect? Think about it!
Namuni Hale Young
I just want to say that I find it very offensive to say that the use of the Confederate Flag is racist. I have retired from the USAF and now work at a prison in Virginia. I started with no stripes and I am now a Lieutenant and the Institutional Investigator. There are about 15 Lieutenants at the institution and only three of us are white. I made Lt. in less than six years in a prison that is predominately black, 90% I would say. What I wanted you to know is that my vehicles bears the SCV plate and confederate stickers. All my peers, subordinates and supervisors know that I am what many would say a redneck. In the beginning I was accused of being racist because of my vehicle. Funny though, after I explained to people that I was just as proud of my heritage as they were of theirs, I never heard another word about me being racist. My supervisor is a Captain that is black and he respects me more that any others in the institution.
Bottom line is unless the truth is told people walk around in a haze, they just don't know any better. We have many blacks in the SCV and many more that support or just don't mind if a confederate flag flies. I also take offense to the term African- American, 99.9 % have never been to Africa. We folks of other colors , don't use a term such as Welsh-American or Egyptian-American.
Last but not least, how dare a place of higher learning build a place for primary ethnic and minority people to find a safe haven. If a facility would build a place for primarily whites to find a safe haven we would be slapped with a law suit faster than we could turn around. Your campus should be ashamed for doing something like that. Also, how dare you criticize what a person wears, but at least this gentleman was kind enough to answer your question. What he should have said was mind your own dang business.
Marv
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Ms Newman:
"Any society which suppresses the heritage of a conquered minority, prevents their history, and denies them their symbols, has sewn the seed of its own destruction."
-Sir William Wallace, 1281 A.D.--
Semper Fi and Deo Vindice,
Joe Miller
mavrik@ClickSouth.net
Symbols of Racism
I looked up and noticed that the other man was wearing a jacket with one or two confederate flags on it. I found myself shocked and disturbed that someone wearing emblems of racial and religious terrorism could make himself comfortable in the one place at Boise State that is marked as an explicitly safe place for students of color.
Talk about prejudice and stereotyping! I would hope that a fine institution of higher learning such as Boise State would be a place where students and faculty wouldn't believe such nonsense as "all Southerners and Southern symbols" are racist. BTW, I'm black and from Mississippi and frequently wear a Confederate Battle flag on my clothing. I'm a proud Southerner and unfortunately haven't fell for all that nonsense they've been pumping kid's heads with in the public school system. Clearly ma'am, you haven't spent much time in the South or studying accurate history.
With warm regards,
Micah Simon
I sorry lady, but the civil war happen and we owe it to the Southern Americans to honor their herritage as well as Union soldiers. If you have no respect for Southern symbols. Please look the other way. Were not going away. Regards Ken
thought about you last night watching a television program showing how the Christians came into Egypt and chiseled the heads off the Egyptian gods. Then came the Muslims who destroyed the Christian symbols. Then the Christians went to the New World and destroyed the Native American writings leaving not enough to translate what is left of Central and South American languages and destroying the histories of the peoples all in the name of political correctness and leaving our generation much the poorer for it.
As that great humanitarian Ann Lebowitz once wrote, if you don't want to be insulted to live on a desert island. No one can bother you there. Of course you won't have any companionship but being insulted and inconvenienced from time to time is what you give up for human companionship. She also wrote, "Outdoors is what you go through from your apartment to the taxi." I swear I'd marry that woman in a nanosecond if she'd have me. But she's too smart."
As a smoker and a historian and someone with a law degree I don't want to destroy anything or prohibit anything that doesn't directly cause someone to bleed. As a student of African and Women's literature you want the world to be a perfect place. We are at opposite ends of the spectrum. Alas, we will never agree but we can, I think, agree to civilly disagree.
To a legal frame of mind the battle flag patches represent a freedom of speech issue that have penetrated as far north as Idaho. To a historian they represent a peculiar residual system of beliefs that have not died out, though by all rights they should have died out, that have spread from their base and migrated into an area that should be hostile to them. To a historian the interesting question will be why Idaho was a nurturing place to them. In fact it is an interesting question to me and if you can give me any ideas why the mountain west does nurture these people I would love to know why.
But on a broader sense I would like to see a university community question these ideas rather than try to quash them. It should be obvious that they are much too great and have been here much too long to quash and can only be dealt with by discourse and thinking.
Back in the early 1960's the North Carolina State Legislature, on its last couple of days in session, passed something called the "Speaker Ban Law." What the law did was forbid Communists from speaking on any of the campuses of the University of North Carolina. Now outside of being in obvious violation of the First Amendment it was a terrible violation of academic freedom and just a bad law all the way around. I opposed it. You would have opposed it. We would have opposed a law banning a hammer and sickle patch I think despite the Stalinist atrocities. So what's the deal with the battle flag patches? What is the difference or is there a difference?
In other words some times personal revulsion must take a back seat to academic priorities. I think perhaps this is one of those times.
Jim
Ma'am you're just a racist in reverse. In other words; you are a minority racist.
Glenn Lacy
For someone that claims to be an activist against racism, its very obvious that not only are you a racists aginst the Confederate flag but also to all individuals that view and hold dear to its historical and personal fillings towards this flag. I think it would be a wise idea for you to do a lot of research on this sudject before throwing your own hate based and unpolitically correct views for everyone to see. Its sad and I petty a person like you on just how ignorant and simple minded a so-called educated woman as yourself can be. I hope maybe someday your eyes will be open to the true instead of false true that you have been taught.
Thank you
Sons of the Confederate member
Will Bridges
just another Black Bigot loud mouthed fool who has never studied the War
for
Southern Independence with any attempt at depth...just the usual Yankee
propaganda.
Bigots are Black too.....Some of your forefathers might have had the
honor and
courage to fight for the homeland which they knew and loved!!! There are
Blacks
to which monuments stand in the Southland and are admired by Southerners
140 years later....try to study the facts instead of Bull from the
conquerers.
You are just another Black Cry Baby...whine, whine, whine...
A descendant of White Indentured Germans held in Virginia ....boo hoo,
boo hoo.
--- Nancy Hitt
For someone that claims to be an activist against racism, its very obvious that not only are you a racists aginst the Confederate flag but also to all individuals that view and hold dear to its historical and personal feelings towards this flag. I think it would be a wise idea for you to do a lot of research on this sudject before throwing your own hate based and unpolitically correct views for everyone to see. Its sad and I petty a person like you on just how ignorant and simple minded a so-called educated woman as yourself can be. I hope maybe someday your eyes will be open to the true instead of false true that you have been taught.
Thank you
Sons of the Confederate member
Will Bridges
No other place of origin evokes such strong reactions and prejudices as the word “Southern”. It is all the more amazing when one considers the manner in which the early Republic was shaped and dominated by Southerners. Jefferson was the intellectual and spiritual architect of the Declaration and as the third President acquired the vast Louisiana Territory staking an early claim as far as the Pacific. Washington’s feats after he defeated the British at Yorktown include the first two terms as President, declining a third and an offer to be “King”. James Madison and Patrick Henry crafted a Constitution which has proved the most enduring and practical political document in the world. In fact, five of our first seven Presidents were Southern and it was James Knox Polk in the 1840’s who assured the U.S. would be a permanent transcontinental nation.
It is not only ironic but forgotten that it was once New England that suffered from the inferiority complex when compared to the feats of these Southern giants. The hinge upon which this extraordinary about-face occurred was the epic known now by the misnomer the “Civil War” and the events which preceeded. That terrible conflict, much distorted by both traditional history and more recently the revisionist variety, holds the unfulfilled promise of our national destiny. We currently lack the will and the courage to learn its great truths, banish its dark lies, probe its obscured origins and confront its painful legacies. These myths and distortions must be replaced with historical facts if we desire the ultimate goal of national reconciliation. These include:
1) The slave trade prospered in West Africa 40 years before Columbus even discovered America. African tribes actually conducted raids on their neighbors for the express purpose of enslaving them. Tragically, slavery is practiced to this very day in places like the Sudan, Zaire and Nigeria.
2) Five European powers (Spain, Portugal, France, Holland and Britain) competing for New World influence all employed slavery, with Brazil (Portugal’s crown jewel) topping the list at 5.5 million slaves, half of the total brought to the New World. By 1860, their numbers had dwindled to a little over 2 million.
3) Only 6% of Africans reached our shores (about 600,000). By 1860 their numbers had increased (without new importations) to almost 4 million, the only slave population in recorded history to increase in captivity. Indigent Anglo-Celts filled the need for slaves (as indentured servants) in our early history by selling themselves into slavery because they could not afford the cost of passage. Most white Southerners are descendants of these early bondsmen.
4) Slavery was practiced in all thirteen colonies and NY was second to SC in 1776 as the colony with the highest percentage of slaves. Sojourner Truth was born Harriet Van Wagner, a slave in New York.
5) The liberal guilt, which today besets the North, has at its roots the profits from its vast slave trading which did nothing less than finance the Industrial Revolution. At the Constitutional Convention a continuation of the slave trade was a concession wrung by the Northern delegations from the South which allowed the North to continue the international trade another 20 years, until 1808.
6) New England slave ships continued plying the waters in defiance of the ban thereafter providing millions of slaves to French and Spanish sugar plantations in the Caribbean and South America.
7) The 1860 census reveals 95% of America’s slaves were owned by just 5% of the population while 85% of Southerners owned the land and structures they lived upon. This clearly establishes a large, independent non slave-holding class of yeoman farmers who later became the rank and file as well as the heart and soul of the Confederate army. To state their motive for fighting was the preservation of slavery is pure nonsense.
8) Secession as a doctrine was asserted by both North and South (Massachusetts threatened to secede on three separate occasions). The abolitionists had also advocated secession. It was only after 1830 when the control of national politics by the North became permanent that secession became associated exclusively with the South. As a nation conceived in secession and built upon the principle that government is contingent on the consent of the governed the South, or any other section of the country for that matter was completely within principle to assert the right.
9) Slavery was an inefficient, self-consuming labor system driven by cotton and already well-contained within its own soon to be encountered natural frontiers (the American desert). It required ever newer lands to replace that which it exhausted. The pattern was identical throughout the entire Western Hemisphere. It was doomed for extinction well before the end of the century if left alone.
10) Support for war among the general population North and South was weak prior to Sumter. The original seceding states contained only 30% of the Southern population. Four southern states subsequently voted down one ordinance of secession, four others would remain within the Union fold throughout the war. Northern war fever was equally tepid. The manipulation of Ft. Sumter by Seward and Lincoln which resulted in hostile fire polarized the vast middle and guaranteed a long and bloody conflict.
11) The war was unconstitutional and the closing of over 300 Northern newspapers and suspension of habeas corpus that jailed 13,000 Northern civilians (including elected officials) is without parallel in our entire history! The Lincoln Administration repeatedly violated amendments 1, 4,5,6,8, 9 and 10. By contrast Jefferson Davis closed not one paper nor jailed one citizen.
12) Warfare against citizens had ceased in Europe and a conduct of war eventually known as the “Geneva Conventions” codified in Europe during the 1860s forbade war against civilian centers. Contrary to this great humanitarian trend when it became apparent the Confederate armies could not be subdued in the field war was commenced against civilians. The depredations of Sherman in Georgia and the Carolinas as well as Hunter’s and Sheridan’s in Virginia mirror much witnessed in the recent Balkan war.
13) While the war is now represented as an altruistic crusade by the North to free the slaves the historical facts could not be more contradictory. The 1860 Republican Convention contained a platform plank promising protection for slavery everywhere it currently existed. Lincoln at his first inaugural address offered a constitutional amendment forever protecting slavery. A Congressional Resolution in 1862 reaffirmed the war’s aim was to “preserve the Union, not free the slave”.
14) The Emancipation Proclamation was met in the North by laws collectively known as “Black Codes”. These laws forbade entry, travel, work or residence by African-Americans in Northern states.
The Proclamation was nothing but a clever ruse to stall imminent European recognition of the Confederacy. It freed no one. Slave states remaining in the Union (in the border states) not only retained their slaves, but also benefited from the strictest enforcement of the hated Fugitive Slave Law.
15) Blacks served willingly and honorably in the Confederate armies. Estimates of their numbers run as high as 100,000. Their motive was the same as their Federal counterpart; patriotism and the desire to disprove the misconceptions about their race. They fought no more to preserve slavery than to preserve Jim Crow during the Spanish-American War, or the doctrine of separate but equal in Korea.
16) The holocaust that resulted from the halt of the prisoner exchange is the sole responsibility of Stanton (Lincoln’s Secretary of War) and Grant. Its only design was to deprive the Confederacy of manpower with the full knowledge scores of thousands on both sides would perish. By the wars’ end, 30,000 on each side had died in captivity. The largest mass grave in the Western Hemisphere is located at Oakwood Cemetery in Chicago and contains the remains of 4200 Confederate P.O.W.s.
17) Had the South prevailed Robt. E. Lee would have undoubtedly been elected president (the Confederate Constitution limited the President to one six year term) and just as undoubtedly have taken immediate steps to free the slaves. This single act, proposed as it would have been by President Lee would have been accepted by the South and would have advanced race-relations light years.
18) As it was Reconstruction was the single most corrupt period of our entire history, pitting newly enfranchised Blacks against disenfranchised and occupied southern Whites. When in 1877 the last of the troops and carpetbaggers left only Blacks remained to face the rage and hatred of a humiliated South. The ugliness of the 1960s can be traced unbroken from the 1860s.
19) Recent interpretations, Ken Burns The Civil War foremost among them, while artfully crafted, serve only to perpetuate the victor’s propaganda that lies at the root of the unresolved conflict.
By the beginning of the 20th century the wounds of that war had finally begun to heal. Southerners embraced anew the Stars and Stripes while Robert E Lee became a national, not just a regional hero. Confederate Battle flags were returned to the restored states and Southern pride in the old Confederacy was not considered inconsistent with their fundamental American patriotism. Unfortunately South-bashing has replaced the mutual respect of a century ago. In an age of so-called tolerance there are no boundaries to the venom that is daily heaped upon all things and persons Southern; our faith, our heroes, our symbols and our history. It has reopened a rift that may ultimately and ironically fuel a desire for independence from a people who refuse to be homogenized or abused any further. This much is certain, until we understand and teach the Civil War truthfully the ink on the surrender documents signed in McLean’s parlor will never dry.
Steve Quick
Arlington Hts, IL
Quick@historymania.org
Ms. Newman,
I read your article about the "battle flag of the army of Northern Virginia" in the Arbiter and I see you are doing your part to keep hatred alive in the South. Let the man wear a jacket in peace without dredging up something that happened in 1863. He probably got to meet a lot of confederate veterans and hear first hand what most of us in the rest of the country can only read in the liberal sanitized history books. Go get yourself a real history book and a date with reality. I recommend starting with “The Politically Incorrect Guide to History of America”. If that doesn't help, try "The South Under Siege, 1830 - 2000". The South invented neither bigotry nor slavery, and the region's progress is a testament to the power of goodwill among people of all races. The South will never fully escape its past, of course, but that's how history works. It can't be sanitized to conform to modern-day interest groups, though that's being tried in several communities where references to anything named "Dixie" and "Confederate" are being erased. Read your history & you’ll see that the war between the states actually started in 1828 with the passing of the Tariff of Abominations. This tax was enacted to protect the seriously mismanaged northern industry from cheaper European imports. It also devalued southern cotton being sold on European markets.
The heritage/hate issue is dead because my great-great-great grandfather was conscripted into the Texas State Troops. He was a teacher & minister, not a slave owner. He wasn’t going to lose his plantation or slaves that he didn't own. Having moved to Texas from New York (yes, he was a Yankee), in his diary, he wrote about never having to fire a gun in anger while he patrolled the Galveston beaches for Union Navy Ships in the Gulf. Now that I am in New Jersey, a hot bed of ultra liberal-phony political correctness, I long for the days where you could again wish someone “Merry Christmas” without having the ACLU after me or not hear someone say that having their child say the "Pledge of Allegiance" is against their religious beliefs. I proudly fly the American flag, the Stars & Bars (the first national flag with 7 stars & 3 stripes), & the flag of Texas on my property because it is my heritage not slavery and the antebellum south.
As far as old times not forgotten, I remember the blacks rioting in 1968 to 1970 - Asbury Park, Camden & Newark, NJ in the wake of Watts and Detroit riot. Yeah, they proved a lot by burning and looting innocent business people. I remember my neighbor taking his insurance money and moving to Florida. Believe me, those old times are not forgotten because those those 3 towns, well 2 of them anyway are still crime riddled shit holes with abandoned buildings and vacant lots from the riots. Thank heaven that my children didn't see that burning, looting & rioting. They just get to live with the aftermath like welfare, section 8's, affirmative action, and "No Child Left Behind". Focus your time and energy on jobs being lost to foreigners and out-sourcing to other countries and don't worry about some kid's jacket.
Brian Finch
Ms Newman:
A critical comment in your January 13 "Special to The Arbiter" missive, "...the one place at Boise State that is 'marked' as an explicitly safe place for students of color.", implicitly suggests that Boise University has certain areas set aside, and "marked", as secure and protected "havens" of comfort for one race of students only.
If the above quote from your letter to The Arbiter is accurate, it should be forwarded to the proper authorities of the university for an investigation.
Before any further action is taken in this matter, please avail yourself of the opportunity to explain with only the facts, confirm or deny that such a discriminatory "safe place" does or does not exist at Boise State.
Respectfully,
Joe Miller
mavrik@clicksouth.net
you mother fuckers are crazy
fuck u go 2 hell
suck my ****
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